Listen Up Marion Jones, I'm Talking To Myself! -
posted by: Josh

Marion Jones

Should Marion Jones’ relay teammates from the 2000 Olympic Games have to give up their medals because of her recently admitted steroid use? For some it may seem a harsh punishment for athletes who had nothing to do with the choices Jones made; for others, one ineligible athlete should signal immediate disqualification for the entire team. This is a contentious issue that is currently being discussed among representatives of the International Olympic Committee.

We all have conversations in our heads, so I figured I might as well make mine public, as I had an interesting one with myself about this very topic. For clarity, I will call one of the voices Bosh.

Josh: It really stinks that Marion Jones’ teammates might have to give up their medals. They spent their whole lives training for the Olympics and after achieving their dreams, may have to part with their success for the indiscretions of one? That’s just not fair.

Bosh: It may not be fair, but is there really a way around it? Jones was juiced up. If she had been clean, would the team still have won a medal? Her performance impacted the results; you can’t assume it would have happened without her.

Josh: But this is seven years ago. Does it really matter if her clean teammates part with their medals? What harm does it do to leave them as Olympic winners?

Bosh: It’s about the integrity of the event, the integrity of competition. Jones cheated, and by relation, her teammates cheated as well.

Josh: I don’t know if I can get there. Your words make sense, but it just doesn’t seem right. What if you were on the team? You had done everything asked of you, and done it right for years, and now something you had no control over ruins everything. How is that appropriate?

Bosh: I would be angry and disappointed, but cheating is cheating. If one member of a team isn’t eligible and competes, the entire team should be out.

Josh: This isn’t the only instance of forfeiting medals or victories. We’ve seen this at the college level, as teams have competed with ineligible players and had to vacate wins years later. I hate when that happens too. Why should an innocent backup linebacker have to give up a bowl victory because of the indiscretions of another player?

Bosh: This isn’t a fun thing. Nobody smiles when it happens, but what other way is there to prevent it from happening in the future? Taking away medals or victories is harsh. Others may stay within the rules in order to make sure that doesn’t happen to them.

Josh: I don’t think we’re going to agree on this one. There has to be some compassion for the innocent.

Bosh: You were always a bit more sensitive than me, but I do understand where you’re coming from. There’s no doubt about it – it’s a tough situation.

Josh: Thanks for chatting it out.

Bosh: I’m always here.

Comments

Marion's teammates should probably return their medals. It's a tough question ethically but central to cracking down on drugs in sport.

A team contract for relays where they are all members must legally sign they are drug-free would be an interesting initiative as the rare person would want to letdown teammates. Of course you also need an incentive to make it work such as a trust-fund for the winnings if 10 yrs later all are still clean.

Yeah - let's go back to trust funds, at least then Marion would not have gone bankrupt.

posted by: Brian | 10/10/07

Maybe the original conversation between Marion Jones and her alter ego went something like...

MARION: Cheating is wrong. It's simply wrong.

EGGINGON: Yeah, but think of all that money. If you can get an edge, why not take it?

MARION: It's cheating, no matter how you cut it.

EGGINGON: Plenty of athletes are doing it. You have to know that. Maybe they're getting an unfair advantage on you.

MARION: Hmmmm! I'm pretty sure there are others using stuff.

EGGINGON: You can bet on it. You're the one who's been playing it straight. And you know they're all out to get you -- you.

MARION: That's for sure. But what if I get caught?

EGGINGON: Deny! Deny! Deny! Deny it often enough, and it'll simply go away.

MARION: I guess you're right.

WRONG!

posted by: Larry | 10/10/07

Josh, I enjoyed reading your unique debate. Emotions always make it difficult. We all can relate to the teammates and their disappointment. Nevertheless, the medals were not earned fairly making it clear that the team must be disqualified.

It is time for the athletic world to stand up and work toward a cleaner environment. Instead of questioning whether great athletes are for real, I would love to admire great ones again.

posted by: Dr. Clara Goldberg | 10/10/07

It seems to be the most important thing isn't that her teammates give up the medals but what about awarding the other teams the correct medals? The team that should have gold, silver, and bronze? The focus should be on the positive. Instead we are condemning three athletes that did no wrong. Their team was tainted by an individual and she gave back her medals but why not be concerned about the true winners. Is it not insulting enough to have your records stricken from history that you basically didn't even exist. Years of hard work and training to be just simply erased because a member of the relay (unknown to you) took a performance enhancer in a sport that is truly an individual sport. It is not really a team in the truest sense. This is not a group that has to train together and perform together all year to compete in the event. In fact it could be different in each round. Do they need to be dragged through the mud more than they already have? Why not celebrate the parties wronged? Instead we as a society only get a thrill out of watching others suffer. Look at it this way…there is a positive coming out of this, the system worked. A cheat was caught, medals were returned, the rightful winners are known and hopefully a message is sent to other athletes that you can and will get caught if using performance enhancers. Why make it worse?

posted by: JM | 10/11/07

Something also to look at, what if Barry Bonds is found to be using steroids? Do you go back and erase the wins he played in? Do you take away RBIs for the guy who batted him for every time they walked Barry? How much is enough? And that is a real team sport not like a relay team. My point is you could keep this craziness going on forever. Punish the cheat and move on.

posted by: JM | 10/11/07

I must admit, this came off much better than T.I. vs. T.I.P

posted by: Jarrett | 10/11/07

One sticky element with elevating other place finishers is that, in at least one case, the silver medalist has been implicated with performance-enhancing drugs. It's all a colossal mess that leaves you wondering where it will all end. The real damage here is to subsequent generations of athletes who come to accept that the only way to compete at the elite level is to use drugs. I hope that testing soon becomes more affordable and more effective so that this terrible trend can be stopped.

posted by: DP | 10/12/07

Interesting article - For me, whether her teammates got robbed doesn't at all hold my interest. When this story broke my immediate questioning began with why now, what does telling the truth at this point in time contribute?

My next reaction was about the medals. Giving them back surely punishes Marion Jones, but what about the silver and bronze medalists, or the non-medaling fourth-place individual? Should they not get awarded a new medal? Should Marion’s medals not be redistributed?

JM commented that "enough is enough...punish and move on"...but how can you move on when the only thing that Marion Jones has done by coming forward with the truth seven years later, has once again been only for herself (now she can forgive and forget).

In my mind, enough is not enough until the punishment of a situation leads to the righting of a wrong. Punishment should not be solely about retribution and dissuasion. Stripping Marion Jones of her medals only continues to feed into her egocentric world by providing her with a sense of amnesty.

In reality, medal or no medal, Marion Jones still holds the titles those medals belonged with. Until the true deserving individuals are awarded their justified gold, silver, and bronze medals, Marion Jones will have forever tarnished those races, and left an indelible mark on the 2000 Olympics, the USA, and hopefully on her soul.

posted by: Jaye | 10/16/07

Question: had Marion Jones decided to run outside of her lane to reduce the distance the team had to run, would the entire team have been disqualified even though three of them ran a clean race? Answer: of course. So why should Marion cheating by using performance enhancing substances be handled differently?

posted by: Don | 04/11/08

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